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i was reviewing the point of lifesteal on an agi carry hotd-1850 gold 20 dmg +5 armour 15% lifesteal vanguard-2225 gold 275 hp 6 hp regen 20/40 dmg block(negligable) now the only reason to get lifesteal tree leaf identification on a drow/juggy/void/luna would be to farm nc.... the reason for tht is in a 1v1/2v2 ot wtvr situation early to mid game, either ur winning a fight or losing it..... either ways the lifesteal isn helping u at all cuz either ur chasing or running away.... also the hp provided from vanguard is very very helpful against the nukes...... plus ur dmg is not gonna be more than 120 till u get sum dmg items life steal on tht is very negligable.... 15 hp is just not worth it....... conclusion lifesteal completely outshadowed by vanguard?
Dmg block in not negligable tree leaf identification at all. At early-mid game it's awesome against enemy heroes and even in late game there are towers, creeps and roshan to tank. On topic: lifesteal is often overrated, but I don't agree with your statement that in general it's worse than Vanguard.
04-01-2011, 01:55 PM
Yeah so now when all the lanes are pushed, they can farm neuts, I don't exactly see the problem. Also most people that want a mid-game with a hero don't get lifesteal first, in fact very rarely should you ever be getting lifesteal early, heroes like Drow should get their BKB and or Manta first before even thinking tree leaf identification about HotD unless they want to jungle. No Vanguard tree leaf identification isn't a good option at all, if anything just grabbing an Ogre's Axe (BKB) or Vitality Booster (HoT) would be a better option, although it is certainly different on melee heroes like PL who benefit greatly from Vanguard.
you generalize too much. id probably never get lifesteal on jugger, noone is gonna stand and fight him anyway, plus hes supposed to be somewhat active midgame, ganking and stuff - vanguard helps a fuckton combined with fury and scales with ward on top of that. for void its a bit different imo, he has nice survivability early on with jump, backtrack, ult, nice starting hp and possibly PMS - on the other hand he isnt the best dps-hero out there. still, a HotD can be a nice investment. i usually prefer vang tho as hes friggin ungankable with it. luna is ranged. thrives for BKB and deals nice dmg as soon as aura is maxed. if you need some regen and arent planning to participate much go ahead, i prefer bottle/urn and a fast bkb usually. drow for instance is a nice hotd user, she deals a lot of dmg pretty damn fast and cant contribute much in ganks. hp comes from treads/ogre axe. its not useless, vanguard almost always has better tree leaf identification early game benefits, but you know.. some agi carries do want to rice, and lifesteal scales better than vanguard. __________________
04-01-2011, 03:54 PM
there are only two heroes u need it a lot! troll and ursa.... how does lifesteal scale soo well into late game???? like i said in general no1 is guna just rightclick versus an agi carry in early mid or late game.... either ur raping them(early tree leaf identification to mid) or theyre raping u so the actual life gained is not useful.... i specially dont like lifesteal on drow because drows orb is really really underestimated.... wat is the point of getting lifesteal really??? and heart is better than satanic on morf since if u go heart plus manta plus linkens u can go around with 1 strength np....
If you want a list of good carries with lifesteal, well, eat this. Magina, Sniper, Syallabear, Luna, Morphling, Slithice, Phantom Lancer, Potm, Rikimaru, Troll, Gyrocopter, Gondar, Void, Ursa, Shendelzare, tree leaf identification Slark, Broodmummy, Mortred, Shadow tree leaf identification Fiend, Mercurial, Venomancer, Viper. Useless my ass. __________________
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If you want a list of good carries tree leaf identification with lifesteal, well, eat this. Magina, Sniper, Syallabear, Luna, Morphling, Slithice, Phantom Lancer, Potm, Rikimaru, Troll, Gyrocopter, Gondar, tree leaf identification Void, Ursa, Shendelzare, Slark, Broodmummy, Mortred, Shadow Fiend, Mercurial, Venomancer, Viper. Useless my ass. whut? __________________
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